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Oct 30, 2009 at 14:59
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เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Nov 24, 2009 at 12:52
Due to new and some yet to be released NFA regulations, it will not be very profitable to run this system on a US broker's platform. We have identified (3) potential brokers, one of whom will be selected to move all our client accounts.
The demo's will keep running for as long as it is feasible to demonstrate the profitability of our system.
Any questions, please feel free to contact us via the message service.
The demo's will keep running for as long as it is feasible to demonstrate the profitability of our system.
Any questions, please feel free to contact us via the message service.
All things come to those who wait.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Nov 25, 2009 at 23:51
Good evening BillP,
Thank you for your interest in our trading system.
We do not have a website as all the required information is available here.
If you are interested in having us manage an account for you, please send us an e-mail to [email protected].
We will answer any questions that you may have.
We are in the process of moving to a new broker, and should be ready to get started after Thanksgiving Holiday.
Kind regards
Levaz
Thank you for your interest in our trading system.
We do not have a website as all the required information is available here.
If you are interested in having us manage an account for you, please send us an e-mail to [email protected].
We will answer any questions that you may have.
We are in the process of moving to a new broker, and should be ready to get started after Thanksgiving Holiday.
Kind regards
Levaz
All things come to those who wait.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Nov 27, 2009 at 23:33
Yesterdays market move did wonders for our system - we need more :)
All things come to those who wait.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Nov 28, 2009 at 03:16
If I can't see the open trades the stats are mute. Do you simply leave them they'll they go into profit? Cause this is a trending market and in a non-trending market it will margin call you. The 2 months you have there are both trending and so is the rest of the year. What about June July next year?
Easy to make money now. Blind man can do it.
Easy to make money now. Blind man can do it.
Nov 28, 2009 at 10:06
I agree with you Kasuko, the regulators of the US need to talk to the Euporeans, they have been in the business since the 1500's, the only way the NFA makes money they have to charge fee's and fines . They are just trying to knock the little man out the game. The thing that boggles my mind is that this 'non-govermental reguatory agency' allows the market makers to be in business and steal peoples money,then and they want to dip their noses in everybodies elses business. (I hope everybody has ECN brokers) but then you have all the s&p 500 banks with 80% debt to income ratio and they are getting bailout money but the tax payer don't even get a return on the profits the banks recieve......I know you guys notice that one county has not said anything about resession or bailout money? strawberry or chocolate mlik anybody....wakarimasu ka?
Early Birds get the worms!!!
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Nov 29, 2009 at 01:45
As mentioned in our General details page - this is a Martingale system - therefore, we felt it was not necessary to expose our open trades. We add positions at pre-calculated points and work out the best scenario to get out with a profit.
However, if you are interested in a Managed account, send us an e-mail to the address in the above post or using the mail service available through the website, and we can send you a link to our Live Account (my personal account). Please note that due to the brokers restrictions (US broker!!), the data limit is limited to the three preceding months.
To answer your question, yes, we do leave them open until the very last trade in the current set of trades exits in a profit.
The characteristics of this pair, that we rely on, have not changed for several years; There is one specific characteristic of this pair which ensures that we will be successful. If and when we do notice a deviation and that deviation is consistent, we reduce the initial order size to give us the additional room to maneuver until the market recovers to equilibrium.
We suggest that you come around in June/July of 2010 and see if we are still be here. Then we can discuss about June/July of 2011. :)
Kind regards
However, if you are interested in a Managed account, send us an e-mail to the address in the above post or using the mail service available through the website, and we can send you a link to our Live Account (my personal account). Please note that due to the brokers restrictions (US broker!!), the data limit is limited to the three preceding months.
To answer your question, yes, we do leave them open until the very last trade in the current set of trades exits in a profit.
The characteristics of this pair, that we rely on, have not changed for several years; There is one specific characteristic of this pair which ensures that we will be successful. If and when we do notice a deviation and that deviation is consistent, we reduce the initial order size to give us the additional room to maneuver until the market recovers to equilibrium.
We suggest that you come around in June/July of 2010 and see if we are still be here. Then we can discuss about June/July of 2011. :)
Kind regards
Elkart posted:
If I can't see the open trades the stats are mute. Do you simply leave them they'll they go into profit? Cause this is a trending market and in a non-trending market it will margin call you. The 2 months you have there are both trending and so is the rest of the year. What about June July next year?
Easy to make money now. Blind man can do it.
All things come to those who wait.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Nov 29, 2009 at 01:54
It appears that the NFA is using the excuse of protecting the retail users to margin them out of the game. Perhaps, their friends, a.k.a the Big Boys Club, are not too happy with the unpredictability of the market with all the lower tier users actually causing movements in the markets.
Right you are - about the Europeans, however, you will notice that the US government has effected sufficient pressure on foreign brokers to exclude US citizens from opening trading accounts abroad!!
Right you are - about the Europeans, however, you will notice that the US government has effected sufficient pressure on foreign brokers to exclude US citizens from opening trading accounts abroad!!
streepips posted:
I agree with you Kasuko, the regulators of the US need to talk to the Euporeans, they have been in the business since the 1500's, the only way the NFA makes money they have to charge fee's and fines . They are just trying to knock the little man out the game. The thing that boggles my mind is that this 'non-govermental reguatory agency' allows the market makers to be in business and steal peoples money,then and they want to dip their noses in everybodies elses business. (I hope everybody has ECN brokers) but then you have all the s&p 500 banks with 80% debt to income ratio and they are getting bailout money but the tax payer don't even get a return on the profits the banks recieve......I know you guys notice that one county has not said anything about resession or bailout money? strawberry or chocolate mlik anybody....wakarimasu ka?
All things come to those who wait.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Dec 01, 2009 at 01:20
We have used the Key Generator to authenticate that we are the traders that are generating the listed performance.
The Statistics, as stated by myfxbooks.com, is authenticated by the fact that they retrieve the account data feed from the broker, to avoid manipulation by others.
The Statistics, as stated by myfxbooks.com, is authenticated by the fact that they retrieve the account data feed from the broker, to avoid manipulation by others.
All things come to those who wait.
Dec 02, 2009 at 22:04
that is why I am drinking chocolate and strawberry milk these days and talking to people that like to be land locked, and thier chocolates and watches are exquisite, my favorite is the automatic 'esperanza'
MoneyFountain1 posted:
It appears that the NFA is using the excuse of protecting the retail users to margin them out of the game. Perhaps, their friends, a.k.a the Big Boys Club, are not too happy with the unpredictability of the market with all the lower tier users actually causing movements in the markets.
Right you are - about the Europeans, however, you will notice that the US government has effected sufficient pressure on foreign brokers to exclude US citizens from opening trading accounts abroad!!streepips posted:
I agree with you Kasuko, the regulators of the US need to talk to the Euporeans, they have been in the business since the 1500's, the only way the NFA makes money they have to charge fee's and fines . They are just trying to knock the little man out the game. The thing that boggles my mind is that this 'non-govermental reguatory agency' allows the market makers to be in business and steal peoples money,then and they want to dip their noses in everybodies elses business. (I hope everybody has ECN brokers) but then you have all the s&p 500 banks with 80% debt to income ratio and they are getting bailout money but the tax payer don't even get a return on the profits the banks recieve......I know you guys notice that one county has not said anything about resession or bailout money? strawberry or chocolate mlik anybody....wakarimasu ka?
Early Birds get the worms!!!
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 00:39
Better their cheese is full of holes than their economy :)
All things come to those who wait.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 02:39
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 03:07)
Kasuko...
You know the story about the turkey?
The day he hatches he gets taught humans are friends. Everyday he has evidence of that, as the friendly humans come and feed him. For three years everyday he gets the same message. That is until the day before thanks giving in his third year, when suddenly things change...and he becomes lunch. Turns out there was an agenda the turkey wasn't aware off.
To have a system based on the fact that 'The characteristics of this pair, that we rely on, have not changed for several years;', and then to sell that to clients is not only irresponsible, but demonstrates you don't fully understand fx yet. It only takes a central banker with a hangover or a bad mood to change that or maybe even a small financial shock.
A short list of examples where such shocks occurred in the last few decades:
Argentina, Russia, Iceland, Dubia - just to mention a few off the top of my head, world is in turmoil at the moment, changes will be drastic and unpredictable.
Not something to try build a future on and definitely not something to punt to clients. I hope you have a good legal frame work set up for your own protection.
You know the story about the turkey?
The day he hatches he gets taught humans are friends. Everyday he has evidence of that, as the friendly humans come and feed him. For three years everyday he gets the same message. That is until the day before thanks giving in his third year, when suddenly things change...and he becomes lunch. Turns out there was an agenda the turkey wasn't aware off.
To have a system based on the fact that 'The characteristics of this pair, that we rely on, have not changed for several years;', and then to sell that to clients is not only irresponsible, but demonstrates you don't fully understand fx yet. It only takes a central banker with a hangover or a bad mood to change that or maybe even a small financial shock.
A short list of examples where such shocks occurred in the last few decades:
Argentina, Russia, Iceland, Dubia - just to mention a few off the top of my head, world is in turmoil at the moment, changes will be drastic and unpredictable.
Not something to try build a future on and definitely not something to punt to clients. I hope you have a good legal frame work set up for your own protection.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 02:53
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 03:15)
An practical example would be the bankruptcy of LTC, biggest in US history until Enron. We're talking about nobel prize winners here. Geniuses for lack of better words. They got taken out by the fall of the iron curtain, the USSR's demise...
They made 5 years before they wiped out. A forex strategy has to be based on change, not lack of change. Or it will fail.
They made 5 years before they wiped out. A forex strategy has to be based on change, not lack of change. Or it will fail.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 04:55
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 04:56)
Thank you very much for your comments.
When we reach year 5 with this system - perhaps we will wipe out too :(
When we reach year 5 with this system - perhaps we will wipe out too :(
All things come to those who wait.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 05:03
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 05:09)
I'm afraid for this system a wipe-out is inevitable.
Just want to point out though that the dudes from LTC are not exactly poor today, despite their crash. They managed to stash enough out of reach (in trust funds and so on) before it happened.
The thing is you never know how close or how far that wipe-out is. Maybe it happens tomorrow, maybe in a decade. Bank as much as you while you can and put it in places where it can't be sued out of you.
If you know its coming you plan for it and advise clients accordingly. Force them to plan for it by making them withdraw at least their start-up capital and so on.
Just want to point out though that the dudes from LTC are not exactly poor today, despite their crash. They managed to stash enough out of reach (in trust funds and so on) before it happened.
The thing is you never know how close or how far that wipe-out is. Maybe it happens tomorrow, maybe in a decade. Bank as much as you while you can and put it in places where it can't be sued out of you.
If you know its coming you plan for it and advise clients accordingly. Force them to plan for it by making them withdraw at least their start-up capital and so on.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 05:10
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 05:11)
I'm not for a moment saying don't use the system, but understand that at some point it will fail. Move to protect the profits you get out of it for you and your clients.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 13:22
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 04, 2009 at 13:24)
Once again, Thank you for your advise and concern.
An in-built benefit of our system, other than a consistent profit, is that we do not compound the profits immediately, as is the case with most forex systems. This encourages our clients to withdraw their profits regularly as there is simply no point keeping the profits in the account for 6 - 9 months before we can actually increase the initial order sizes.
Typically, that is how long it takes to double an account - slow and steady. We are in no rush and neither is the market. We also discourage clients from increasing their deposits until they have fully recovered their initial capital and then some. Once we are using the banks money, should the clients choose to double up, the capital return period is reduced by 50%. So now we are looking at 3 - 3.5 months till we are using only banks money.
Most martingale systems fail since they do not adapt to market conditions. We have a calculated maximum possible initial entry right up to the exit order sizing, along with differentials in entries, which is regularly calculated per market behavior, but adhering to the primary characteristic that generates the profits.
An in-built benefit of our system, other than a consistent profit, is that we do not compound the profits immediately, as is the case with most forex systems. This encourages our clients to withdraw their profits regularly as there is simply no point keeping the profits in the account for 6 - 9 months before we can actually increase the initial order sizes.
Typically, that is how long it takes to double an account - slow and steady. We are in no rush and neither is the market. We also discourage clients from increasing their deposits until they have fully recovered their initial capital and then some. Once we are using the banks money, should the clients choose to double up, the capital return period is reduced by 50%. So now we are looking at 3 - 3.5 months till we are using only banks money.
Most martingale systems fail since they do not adapt to market conditions. We have a calculated maximum possible initial entry right up to the exit order sizing, along with differentials in entries, which is regularly calculated per market behavior, but adhering to the primary characteristic that generates the profits.
All things come to those who wait.
forex_trader_7
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Aug 01, 2009
941 โพสต์
Dec 04, 2009 at 13:51
Can't fault that, I don't agree with martingale and running open losers, but as long as you're aware of the inevitable.
เป็นสมาชิกตั้งแต่ Oct 30, 2009
57 โพสต์
Dec 06, 2009 at 20:52
(แก้ไขแล้ว Dec 06, 2009 at 20:53)
Announcement: We have to stop the current system reports, as we are using this Demo to test a new system that we have developed and plan to use on our live accounts shortly.
There fore, this account no longer demonstrate the martingale system in its pure form as there will be another pair traded - which will skew the monthly returns.
Good luck to all of you.
There fore, this account no longer demonstrate the martingale system in its pure form as there will be another pair traded - which will skew the monthly returns.
Good luck to all of you.
All things come to those who wait.
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