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stevewalker - Manual Trading
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Jun 22, 2012 at 16:37
I cant determine where to stop daily.when in profit, feel like leaving poker table in profit before game end.if in loss, dont want to leave until get in profit.when in profit, feel like leaving poker table in profit before game end.if in loss, dont want to leave until get in profit.....Loop.So I start 2 different accounts. same system.when finished trading with first one will start trading with other.and try to stop trading on time.
stevewalker - Manual Trading
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Jun 22, 2012 at 16:31
agree.saying the same thing.
"Just Oil"
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Jun 22, 2012 at 15:44
a Q for you.I have difficulties where to stop trading daily.what is you formula for that?
"Just Oil"
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Jun 22, 2012 at 15:39
sure thats good.no offense
"Just Oil"
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Jun 22, 2012 at 08:40
so you risk %0.80 of your equıity in the case of a full stop. thats your risk.
"Just Oil"
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Jun 21, 2012 at 23:08
in general, when your trade hit SL, what % you loose from your equity?
stevewalker - Manual Trading
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Jun 21, 2012 at 23:07
if he is doing which is possible, he is also using some other functions/desecions.he can use it as reference. thats poss. referance point needed. but with EMA cros only, give a try.you can agree/dısagree thats the truth.bar is closing becouse time is up. there are bunch if information in it.higher time frame higher hidden information.
"Just Oil"
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Jun 21, 2012 at 21:22
if trade hit SL what % you will loose+(costs), you risk that %.
test-3-CLOSED
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Jun 21, 2012 at 21:17
great summery.yes, a mental trailing stop.thanks
stevewalker - Manual Trading
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Jun 21, 2012 at 21:13
Chikot any system can not generate profit with MA cross with any time frame. ( SMA,EMA,LWMA,LSMA .... )best longs are at lower side of the MA s and best shorts are upper sides of the MA s. but MA cross use opposite. traders use daily chart becouse they fail on lower time and they move higher, they think that they can make profit with hihger timeframes. unfortunatelly this totally wrong. they just postpone their loosing stake. thats all.if any trader fail on any time frame, he/she should move a lower one. not a bigger one.and traders should definetly strat trading with 1 min charts combined wit...
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Jun 21, 2012 at 20:43
guystradedthoughtcalculatedtestedcodedtoo much.my conclusion is sometimes it wont happen as the period before. ( what the tre trader period is, it can be hour/day/week/.... )so trader should stop at that point.is there a sign for that, even if there is I could not find it.I will start trading with my last setup micro dailymain weeklymacro monthlyperiod.I think the rest is to feel the market and decide where to stop.walker
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Jun 21, 2012 at 10:17
TheCyclist importance of Cost.just give a try.time frame 1 hr.rules:open long if the last closed bar shortopen short if the last closed bar longif you trade with "0" spread + "0" comission means "0" cost you can make fortune with Fix TP,SL with a fine tune.walker
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Jun 20, 2012 at 22:16
not doing clever arguments. those are the truths for me until the reverse proofed. "I took one look at the test accounts, clear to me like the sun rises in the morning you can't make those work. No matter what you do. You'd need to be a prophet to trade that kind of risk successfully."I really dont know why you think that system will work with low risk. not logic. it will only remain in profit little longer week/month then DD again.thing I can understand, daily risk appetite of trader can drop very easly after some winners and when short time period(daily) combined with high ...
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Jun 20, 2012 at 21:30
TheCyclistalso Chikot is always saying that I am testing/trading with hihger leverage.and you say I trade with big lot.lets clear this.trading with smaller lot size:example.trader will trade 6 months with 0.01 lot and get gain of %20 and then in 2 months will loose all back to initial deposit.trader will trade 6 weeks with 0.1 lot and get gain of %20 and then in 2 weeks will loose all back to initial deposit.what is the difference. "TIME"if system/trader can not generate profit it does not matter what lot size or leverage he/she use.1 hour/day/week/month/year the result will be the s...
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Jun 20, 2012 at 21:11
no offense & short answers.agree"And the complexity is you don't really know what the correct trade sizes are for each system, you have to run them for long periods at very low performance so you can see the DD's develop before you can even think of turning them up."thats what I am doing.better put your money to Bank. no risk fix income. dont waste your time infront of screen with 0.00001 lot/200 usd."For $200 you should be trading 0.00001 lots max... or 1 unit on Oanda and even that is risky. First thing Von Tharp says is people fail at investing because they don...
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Jun 20, 2012 at 19:44
lets sumup issues;using high lot/leverageeffects;%percentage of costs of total trades regarding to the account balance. which is very important and I did not noticed that before. for fix lot size this approach is wrong."If you lose 10% of $100, you have $90, if you gain 10% on $90 you have $99, so the more you lose the more difficult it is to trade it back. By the time you take a 50% loss you have to make 100% to get it back."becouse even if you loose or win with fixed lot, tha way I trade, profit and the loss will always remain same.is correct if you trade with changed lot size rega...
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Jun 20, 2012 at 18:50
correct approach.must think about that.will post my answer soon.
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Jun 20, 2012 at 18:47
thank you.yes overall %DD is %90.but %10 DD when I was in %90 gain. I am pointing that I did not make %90 gain with %90 DD.I did make %90 gain with %10 DD. then %90 DD.you are pointing the trade amount rollover regarding to account balance.thats correct. with hihger lot size/leverage, total trade amount roll over is many times of the account balance.but again this does not effec the win or loss. but it effects the %percentage of costs of total trades regarding to the account balance. which is very important and I did not noticed that before. if you are also pointitng that issue I completly agr...
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Jun 20, 2012 at 18:16
I am quite fixed mineded. but when I understand and if its correct I accept with no dubt.walker
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Jun 20, 2012 at 18:15
no offense. appriciated.I still would like to hear the difference between 0.01 or 0.1 lot.please considet that.My %DD was 10 when I was making %90 gain with 8pip stop 10 pip limit.those the risks I take. not more not less.daily %30 is weird. I agree and not targetting that.this is test for my mental capacity.but again and sorry if a system create profit leverge and Lot size does not matter if you stay in the margin levels with limited risk.the only thing will change is the time. and time will decrese your equity curve amplitude. and will decrease the wave frequency.I explain why it does not ef...
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